Comments on: A word about the “Let Saab Go!” movement on Facebook http://inside.saab.com/a-word-about-the-let-saab-go-movement-on-facebook/ Lorum Ipsum tagline Tue, 27 Dec 2011 02:03:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.1 By: Angelo Vecchio http://inside.saab.com/a-word-about-the-let-saab-go-movement-on-facebook/#comment-5269 Angelo Vecchio Wed, 30 Nov 2011 13:09:00 +0000 http://inside.saab.com/?p=4092#comment-5269 Ted:  It's not that hard to understand when you trace GM's many management failures over the decades.  They've done a lot of things that didn't work out and sometimes missed opportunities that WOULD have helped their bottom line.  The fact is, a few decades back, they were the biggest and most profitable company in the world----not CAR company, but biggest company, period.  For them to devolve from that high on a perch to going bankrupt----obviously they did a lot of things wrong. Ted:  It’s not that hard to understand when you trace GM’s many management failures over the decades.  They’ve done a lot of things that didn’t work out and sometimes missed opportunities that WOULD have helped their bottom line.  The fact is, a few decades back, they were the biggest and most profitable company in the world—-not CAR company, but biggest company, period.  For them to devolve from that high on a perch to going bankrupt—-obviously they did a lot of things wrong.

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By: eggsngrits http://inside.saab.com/a-word-about-the-let-saab-go-movement-on-facebook/#comment-5221 eggsngrits Mon, 28 Nov 2011 21:47:00 +0000 http://inside.saab.com/?p=4092#comment-5221 I agree.  GM simply had, in their minds, bigger fish to fry.  It was always about selling 50,000 Impalas rather than doubling Saab's sales.  Not exactly perfect in hindsight, but you can't fault their logic when it comes to shareholder returns for the quarter/year in question.  That's really it -- once corporations begin to focus on the short-term measures driven by the market, they are slave to today and tomorrow isn't given much thought. I agree.  GM simply had, in their minds, bigger fish to fry.  It was always about selling 50,000 Impalas rather than doubling Saab’s sales.  Not exactly perfect in hindsight, but you can’t fault their logic when it comes to shareholder returns for the quarter/year in question.  That’s really it — once corporations begin to focus on the short-term measures driven by the market, they are slave to today and tomorrow isn’t given much thought.

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By: Steven Wade http://inside.saab.com/a-word-about-the-let-saab-go-movement-on-facebook/#comment-5215 Steven Wade Sun, 27 Nov 2011 20:35:00 +0000 http://inside.saab.com/?p=4092#comment-5215 Keith, I'll have to respectfully disagree.  We are living in the social media age, this campaign is a social media campaign by Saab fans that's being talked about in the automotive press, in the public domain.   Inside Saab is a social media outlet for Saab, so burying one's head in the sand and acting like it's not happening is not a realistic option in 2011. You acknowledge it and you try to steer it the appropriate way, which is what we've done.  I haven't asked anyone to join in and I've tried to remind people of the important relationship we have with GM.  We have only posted it here, not on FB itself (which would have been quite a bit closer to where it's happening, and could have promoted more participation). Keith, I’ll have to respectfully disagree.  We are living in the social media age, this campaign is a social media campaign by Saab fans that’s being talked about in the automotive press, in the public domain.   Inside Saab is a social media outlet for Saab, so burying one’s head in the sand and acting like it’s not happening is not a realistic option in 2011.

You acknowledge it and you try to steer it the appropriate way, which is what we’ve done.  I haven’t asked anyone to join in and I’ve tried to remind people of the important relationship we have with GM.  We have only posted it here, not on FB itself (which would have been quite a bit closer to where it’s happening, and could have promoted more participation).

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By: Anonymous http://inside.saab.com/a-word-about-the-let-saab-go-movement-on-facebook/#comment-5214 Anonymous Sun, 27 Nov 2011 13:53:00 +0000 http://inside.saab.com/?p=4092#comment-5214 I'm a Saab owner.   I'm on my second 9-3.   I really do look forward to seeing what a future 9-3 (with a hatch!) will be.     But the de-facing of GM's site is simply embarrassing.   Steven, you are basically endorsing it with this post.  Intentionally littering another companies site is the equivalent of a 3 year boy holding his breath until he gets what he wants. Saab should hold a higher standard than tacitly endorsing this behavior. I’m a Saab owner.   I’m on my second 9-3.   I really do look forward to seeing what a future 9-3 (with a hatch!) will be.    

But the de-facing of GM’s site is simply embarrassing.   Steven, you are basically endorsing it with this post.  Intentionally littering another companies site is the equivalent of a 3 year boy holding his breath until he gets what he wants.

Saab should hold a higher standard than tacitly endorsing this behavior.

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By: Steven Wade http://inside.saab.com/a-word-about-the-let-saab-go-movement-on-facebook/#comment-5212 Steven Wade Sun, 27 Nov 2011 10:22:00 +0000 http://inside.saab.com/?p=4092#comment-5212 It's trying times for everyone, no doubt.  I certainly think there could be more written than what anyone has been allowed to do, but I guess we'll read all about that in someone's book (not mine). It’s trying times for everyone, no doubt.  I certainly think there could be more written than what anyone has been allowed to do, but I guess we’ll read all about that in someone’s book (not mine).

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By: Anonymous http://inside.saab.com/a-word-about-the-let-saab-go-movement-on-facebook/#comment-5208 Anonymous Sun, 27 Nov 2011 08:03:00 +0000 http://inside.saab.com/?p=4092#comment-5208 PS  Another attribute of Steve's is that he will take a few seconds to recognize you if at all needed thus not leaving you flat with a cold shoulder. Not turning a cold shoulder to ANYONE is a hallmark characteristic of the culture of SAAB in 60's - 80's. During that time, you could feel warmly snuggled in with a company that cared. I very much lived that Saab feeling for 30 years until it started going away in the mid-nineties. PS  Another attribute of Steve’s is that he will take a few seconds to recognize you if at all needed thus not leaving you flat with a cold shoulder. Not turning a cold shoulder to ANYONE is a hallmark characteristic of the culture of SAAB in 60′s – 80′s. During that time, you could feel warmly snuggled in with a company that cared. I very much lived that Saab feeling for 30 years until it started going away in the mid-nineties.

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By: Anonymous http://inside.saab.com/a-word-about-the-let-saab-go-movement-on-facebook/#comment-5207 Anonymous Sun, 27 Nov 2011 07:47:00 +0000 http://inside.saab.com/?p=4092#comment-5207 I think we're ALL having a tendency to sometimes get a little punchy because the situation with SAAB is frustrating and thus stressful. I think we don't want to be that way, but sometimes the situation gets the better of some of us. Through the years I've read Trollhättan Saab and Saabs United with Swade at the helm,  I've found him to have a calming influence no matter what the issue is. I think he has earned respect from his readers because of his personality and his capacity to be empathetic. I sure miss him at the helm of SU, but I'm glad he's still reaching out to us through "Inside Saab". Thank you Steve. I think we’re ALL having a tendency to sometimes get a little punchy because the situation with SAAB is frustrating and thus stressful. I think we don’t want to be that way, but sometimes the situation gets the better of some of us. Through the years I’ve read Trollhättan Saab and Saabs United with Swade at the helm,  I’ve found him to have a calming influence no matter what the issue is. I think he has earned respect from his readers because of his personality and his capacity to be empathetic. I sure miss him at the helm of SU, but I’m glad he’s still reaching out to us through “Inside Saab”. Thank you Steve.

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By: MarkC http://inside.saab.com/a-word-about-the-let-saab-go-movement-on-facebook/#comment-5202 MarkC Sat, 26 Nov 2011 09:54:00 +0000 http://inside.saab.com/?p=4092#comment-5202 I think most of us hope that GM will a progressively diminishing role in Saab's future. I think most of us hope that GM will a progressively diminishing role in Saab’s future.

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By: Anonymous http://inside.saab.com/a-word-about-the-let-saab-go-movement-on-facebook/#comment-5199 Anonymous Sat, 26 Nov 2011 06:07:00 +0000 http://inside.saab.com/?p=4092#comment-5199 The comments on SU are out of control, Börjesson. You're right. Sometimes I wonder if I should even click the button to allow comments on articles. There's many reasons for it no doubt, but the critical one is that we're all just tired of the situation. Steven communicated and advised us to shut down the negativity early on and we tried our best, but it's almost a full time job just to monitor comments. By the time you get to checking it there's a full on war, and if you decide to alter it you end up looking even worse for having meddled at all.  While I agree with you that dumping articles on the site is beyond counterproductive without commentary, I can't write for everyone on the site nor edit their articles without pissing them off, so I end up as despondent as you. It'd be great if we were able to have a singular focus with one or two writers as Steven did back in the day to shape discussion around one's particular view, but with so many writers, there's almost no chance of that happening. I get it, and it's frustrating. I agree with you that most of the articles that are posted on SU now are complete crap. When you have something important to reflect on but someone decides to quickly dump an article and then 50 comments have already been written before you can hit publish, it's not a pleasant feeling. But to say that any of us were or are objective in any way is a compete fallacy.  Even though Steven did a great job trying to present the news without taking sides, we all had a common enemy in GM. The Let Saab Go movement certainly brings back those passionate feelings of rooting for the underdog and praying that Saab would find salvation in the hands of a capable investor. But the situation is also very different, and though it's tempting to think that GM is playing the same role this time around, their objections in many ways are forcing safeguards to remain in tact for Saab's (and their own) future.  If you look back at Steven's postings even days before the announcement that Spyker and GM reached an agreement, he was posting articles much in the same way the crew does now. Sometimes you post whatever scraps you can, just because if you don't and they end up somewhere else, people feel as if they're not getting the full picture of media coverage. The downside of course is as you suggest, that the website simply becomes a repository of any Saab media articles that hit the wire.  Like Steven says, this situation is about a few businessmen with access to capital sitting in boardrooms, hotel bars, and offices banging out a deal. While it would be nice to sit on the sidelines and all we can do as Saab fans is sit on the side. Had he still been writing for SU I can guarantee that he'd be just as paralyzed as he is now, there's literally nothing that can be communicated about the inner workings of the deal without compromising it.  No doubt, your voices are missed at SU, but I don't blame you for not posting anymore. I'm just as frustrated that things haven't been resolved. We had plans at SU to start up new campaigns and posts, but the uncertainty surrounding the brand makes it almost impossible to have a serious discussion without the enormous shadow over our heads. Whereas in the first sale, there was this feeling that Saab was somehow wronged for so long by GM and had the right to stand on its own, this one is far more painful. Saab tried to stand up but its own mistakes and suppliers took it down. It's going to take an incredible amount of work to get the brand back on its feet, and at this point I'm going to save my energy for that time when there's a clear outcome to work on fixing the problems that exist at SU. Hopefully you can have us back, in the meantime we're both glad we still have Steven reminding everyone why Saab should survive. -Jeff The comments on SU are out of control, Börjesson. You’re right. Sometimes I wonder if I should even click the button to allow comments on articles. There’s many reasons for it no doubt, but the critical one is that we’re all just tired of the situation. Steven communicated and advised us to shut down the negativity early on and we tried our best, but it’s almost a full time job just to monitor comments. By the time you get to checking it there’s a full on war, and if you decide to alter it you end up looking even worse for having meddled at all. 

While I agree with you that dumping articles on the site is beyond counterproductive without commentary, I can’t write for everyone on the site nor edit their articles without pissing them off, so I end up as despondent as you. It’d be great if we were able to have a singular focus with one or two writers as Steven did back in the day to shape discussion around one’s particular view, but with so many writers, there’s almost no chance of that happening. I get it, and it’s frustrating. I agree with you that most of the articles that are posted on SU now are complete crap. When you have something important to reflect on but someone decides to quickly dump an article and then 50 comments have already been written before you can hit publish, it’s not a pleasant feeling. But to say that any of us were or are objective in any way is a compete fallacy. 

Even though Steven did a great job trying to present the news without taking sides, we all had a common enemy in GM. The Let Saab Go movement certainly brings back those passionate feelings of rooting for the underdog and praying that Saab would find salvation in the hands of a capable investor. But the situation is also very different, and though it’s tempting to think that GM is playing the same role this time around, their objections in many ways are forcing safeguards to remain in tact for Saab’s (and their own) future. 

If you look back at Steven’s postings even days before the announcement that Spyker and GM reached an agreement, he was posting articles much in the same way the crew does now. Sometimes you post whatever scraps you can, just because if you don’t and they end up somewhere else, people feel as if they’re not getting the full picture of media coverage. The downside of course is as you suggest, that the website simply becomes a repository of any Saab media articles that hit the wire. 

Like Steven says, this situation is about a few businessmen with access to capital sitting in boardrooms, hotel bars, and offices banging out a deal. While it would be nice to sit on the sidelines and all we can do as Saab fans is sit on the side. Had he still been writing for SU I can guarantee that he’d be just as paralyzed as he is now, there’s literally nothing that can be communicated about the inner workings of the deal without compromising it. 

No doubt, your voices are missed at SU, but I don’t blame you for not posting anymore. I’m just as frustrated that things haven’t been resolved. We had plans at SU to start up new campaigns and posts, but the uncertainty surrounding the brand makes it almost impossible to have a serious discussion without the enormous shadow over our heads. Whereas in the first sale, there was this feeling that Saab was somehow wronged for so long by GM and had the right to stand on its own, this one is far more painful. Saab tried to stand up but its own mistakes and suppliers took it down. It’s going to take an incredible amount of work to get the brand back on its feet, and at this point I’m going to save my energy for that time when there’s a clear outcome to work on fixing the problems that exist at SU. Hopefully you can have us back, in the meantime we’re both glad we still have Steven reminding everyone why Saab should survive.

-Jeff

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By: barry sorrel http://inside.saab.com/a-word-about-the-let-saab-go-movement-on-facebook/#comment-5195 barry sorrel Fri, 25 Nov 2011 16:23:00 +0000 http://inside.saab.com/?p=4092#comment-5195 Totally agree with you Börjesson.     I'm sure the crew at SU are doing their best, as they perceive it, but IMO their best is woefully inadequate.    Too many ridiculous, irrate comments, sometimes even slanderous.  Something I'm certain you (Swade) would never have tolerated.   I think I speak for everyone who loves Saab, you are SERIOUSLY missed Steven! Totally agree with you Börjesson.     I’m sure the crew at SU are doing their best, as they perceive it, but IMO their best is woefully inadequate.    Too many ridiculous, irrate comments, sometimes even slanderous.  Something I’m certain you (Swade) would never have tolerated.   I think I speak for everyone who loves Saab, you are SERIOUSLY missed Steven!

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