Comments on: D-Day? http://inside.saab.com/d-day/ Lorum Ipsum tagline Tue, 27 Dec 2011 02:03:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.1 By: Anonymous http://inside.saab.com/d-day/#comment-5754 Anonymous Mon, 19 Dec 2011 20:04:00 +0000 http://inside.saab.com/?p=4363#comment-5754 I stand corrected by events. Good night and good luck to those in Trollhättan. I stand corrected by events. Good night and good luck to those in Trollhättan.

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By: Angelo Vecchio http://inside.saab.com/d-day/#comment-5716 Angelo Vecchio Mon, 19 Dec 2011 15:31:00 +0000 http://inside.saab.com/?p=4363#comment-5716 Swade:  While sadness is your emotion, right now, anger is mine.  I've posted on Facebook and will continue to extol:  General Motors is largely responsible for this.  No one who owns a Saab or who was a fan of Saab should ever patronize GM again.  And in fact, I will argue that GM is so unpredictable and in my opinion, unreasonable----you are taking a big risk by buying any of their products.  Ask the people who owned Oldsmobile, Saturn, Pontiac, Hummer----and now Saab cars---how it feels to be abandoned by the parent company who took your hard earned money.  I bought in good faith and expected support from the company I purchased from.  As a customer, GM screwed me.  I'm done with their garbage.   Swade:  While sadness is your emotion, right now, anger is mine.  I’ve posted on Facebook and will continue to extol:  General Motors is largely responsible for this.  No one who owns a Saab or who was a fan of Saab should ever patronize GM again.  And in fact, I will argue that GM is so unpredictable and in my opinion, unreasonable—-you are taking a big risk by buying any of their products.  Ask the people who owned Oldsmobile, Saturn, Pontiac, Hummer—-and now Saab cars—how it feels to be abandoned by the parent company who took your hard earned money.  I bought in good faith and expected support from the company I purchased from.  As a customer, GM screwed me.  I’m done with their garbage.  

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By: Anonymous http://inside.saab.com/d-day/#comment-5644 Anonymous Mon, 19 Dec 2011 09:06:00 +0000 http://inside.saab.com/?p=4363#comment-5644 GM is actually doing quite well in China and the US right now. It's not GM's IP that's the real issue. GM's concern, as I see it, is keeping SAIC happy. SAIC is GM's chosen dance partner in China and they are scared to even appear to do anything that might sour that relationship. As others have pointed out, Saab's engineering talent is a nice thing to have, but it's the brand, having history and not being Chinese, that has value to Chinese suitors. Aside from the fact that, today, Saab's not a going concern without GM's IP (no GM IP means no 9-4x, no 9-5 and no current 9-3), GM's IP isn't what the Chinese are interested in. That's really the beauty of the current deal...not only does the structure avoid GM's contractual thresholds, it also reflects what Youngman is interested in procuring. GM is actually doing quite well in China and the US right now.

It’s not GM’s IP that’s the real issue. GM’s concern, as I see it, is keeping SAIC happy. SAIC is GM’s chosen dance partner in China and they are scared to even appear to do anything that might sour that relationship.

As others have pointed out, Saab’s engineering talent is a nice thing to have, but it’s the brand, having history and not being Chinese, that has value to Chinese suitors.

Aside from the fact that, today, Saab’s not a going concern without GM’s IP (no GM IP means no 9-4x, no 9-5 and no current 9-3), GM’s IP isn’t what the Chinese are interested in. That’s really the beauty of the current deal…not only does the structure avoid GM’s contractual thresholds, it also reflects what Youngman is interested in procuring.

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By: Martin Williams http://inside.saab.com/d-day/#comment-5635 Martin Williams Mon, 19 Dec 2011 06:29:00 +0000 http://inside.saab.com/?p=4363#comment-5635 Sounds like GM has no real self confidence, which sort of sums up the way they got into the position they are in, in general. It's about time you "manned up" GM! Have some confidence that you can hold your own against a small car company. A bit of competition should only make you stronger. Sounds like GM has no real self confidence, which sort of sums up the way they got into the position they are in, in general.

It’s about time you “manned up” GM! Have some confidence that you can hold your own against a small car company. A bit of competition should only make you stronger.

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By: Anonymous http://inside.saab.com/d-day/#comment-5634 Anonymous Mon, 19 Dec 2011 04:15:00 +0000 http://inside.saab.com/?p=4363#comment-5634 IMO  What few cars SAAB may sell with or without GM's  IP is very small beans to the China market and as in the 50/60's a lot of the U.S. manufactures thought the  Asia market couldnt do it alone . China is a smart as the next guy so the IP will be there GM or not . GM is not doing well in any market at this time . Just my thoughts tho I do not  claim to have a clue as to why this sale is blocked but thats another enigma in the saga.   Thanks IMO  What few cars SAAB may sell with or without GM’s  IP is very small beans to the China market and as in the 50/60′s a lot of the U.S. manufactures thought the  Asia market couldnt do it alone . China is a smart as the next guy so the IP will be there GM or not . GM is not doing well in any market at this time . Just my thoughts tho I do not  claim to have a clue as to why this sale is blocked but thats another enigma in the saga.   Thanks

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By: Anonymous http://inside.saab.com/d-day/#comment-5632 Anonymous Mon, 19 Dec 2011 03:50:00 +0000 http://inside.saab.com/?p=4363#comment-5632 Hear , here , Steven and  Thank you kind sir , I somehow belive that bullies dont win ........  but ya just cant tell about a bully with a lawyer with other agendas .    Dave Hear , here , Steven and  Thank you kind sir , I somehow belive that bullies dont win ……..  but ya just cant tell about a bully with a lawyer with other agendas .    Dave

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By: Anonymous http://inside.saab.com/d-day/#comment-5631 Anonymous Mon, 19 Dec 2011 02:42:00 +0000 http://inside.saab.com/?p=4363#comment-5631 Although I think I'm as frustrated and irritated by GM's actions, I can also understand where they're coming from. Ford has a fairly small footprint in China. Although that's probably not a good thing for them on a macro level, it also means that their concerns about Geely's access to their IP is fairly limited as well. Although Changan, a large player in China, is Ford's primary partner there, Ford's actual market position is quite low. Further, Ford is far from being Changan's most important partner. If anything, selling Volvo to Geely might actually have strengthened Ford's position in China, especially in light of subsequent moves to really pursue a "One Ford" product policy in fact, versus the lip service given to such an idea over the last 20 years or so. On the other hand, much of GM's growth (and profit) of late has come from China. GM is also, by far, SAIC's largest partner. GM has far more at risk in China than Ford, so they understandably need to tread more carefully. Although I think I’m as frustrated and irritated by GM’s actions, I can also understand where they’re coming from.

Ford has a fairly small footprint in China. Although that’s probably not a good thing for them on a macro level, it also means that their concerns about Geely’s access to their IP is fairly limited as well. Although Changan, a large player in China, is Ford’s primary partner there, Ford’s actual market position is quite low. Further, Ford is far from being Changan’s most important partner. If anything, selling Volvo to Geely might actually have strengthened Ford’s position in China, especially in light of subsequent moves to really pursue a “One Ford” product policy in fact, versus the lip service given to such an idea over the last 20 years or so.

On the other hand, much of GM’s growth (and profit) of late has come from China. GM is also, by far, SAIC’s largest partner. GM has far more at risk in China than Ford, so they understandably need to tread more carefully.

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By: Mark Coursey http://inside.saab.com/d-day/#comment-5630 Mark Coursey Mon, 19 Dec 2011 01:54:00 +0000 http://inside.saab.com/?p=4363#comment-5630 Ford was always much kinder to Volvo than GM ever was to Saab.  It's a great pity that Ford decided to buy Jaguar in the late eighties when it could have bought Saab.  This unfortunately made GM play "me too" and buy Saab so it could say it owned a premium European car manufacturer too.  And so began a bad cycle for Saab. Hopefully that cycle will be over soon? Unfortunately I have to say that GM totally sucks and I'm not talking about lollipops here. Ford was always much kinder to Volvo than GM ever was to Saab.  It’s a great pity that Ford decided to buy Jaguar in the late eighties when it could have bought Saab.  This unfortunately made GM play “me too” and buy Saab so it could say it owned a premium European car manufacturer too.  And so began a bad cycle for Saab. Hopefully that cycle will be over soon?

Unfortunately I have to say that GM totally sucks and I’m not talking about lollipops here.

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By: Anonymous http://inside.saab.com/d-day/#comment-5629 Anonymous Mon, 19 Dec 2011 01:08:00 +0000 http://inside.saab.com/?p=4363#comment-5629 Hear! Hear! I wish all involved a lot of wisdom. And Jerry Maguire was not only about money. Hear! Hear!

I wish all involved a lot of wisdom.
And Jerry Maguire was not only about money.

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By: 100%Saab http://inside.saab.com/d-day/#comment-5628 100%Saab Mon, 19 Dec 2011 01:02:00 +0000 http://inside.saab.com/?p=4363#comment-5628 There are 2 Saabs in my garage tonight and there will be 2 Saabs in my garage tomorrow night. Hoping the best for Saab and Swade. There are 2 Saabs in my garage tonight and there will be 2 Saabs in my garage tomorrow night. Hoping the best for Saab and Swade.

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