Comments on: Press Release: Information On Restructuring Plan for Saab Automobile http://inside.saab.com/press-release-information-on-restructuring-plan-saab-automobile/ Lorum Ipsum tagline Tue, 27 Dec 2011 02:03:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.1 By: rick horocholyn http://inside.saab.com/press-release-information-on-restructuring-plan-saab-automobile/#comment-4778 rick horocholyn Thu, 03 Nov 2011 14:44:00 +0000 http://inside.saab.com/?p=3596#comment-4778 Except of course that many 'Swedish-made' Saabs were actually built in Finland... Except of course that many ‘Swedish-made’ Saabs were actually built in Finland…

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By: Anonymous http://inside.saab.com/press-release-information-on-restructuring-plan-saab-automobile/#comment-4636 Anonymous Tue, 01 Nov 2011 02:12:00 +0000 http://inside.saab.com/?p=3596#comment-4636 Glad to see Glad to see

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By: Ben http://inside.saab.com/press-release-information-on-restructuring-plan-saab-automobile/#comment-4633 Ben Mon, 31 Oct 2011 20:42:00 +0000 http://inside.saab.com/?p=3596#comment-4633 I'm sure quality can be just as good but the problem is very much in perception. Why should people buy a Saab made in China when they can buy a BMW made in Germany or Volvo in Sweden. The other thing is where does this leave Trollhaten? If Saab are only making 190,000-200,000 cars and say 40% are made in China that doesn't leave much for Trollhaten as it is, let alone if they are making cars for other markets too. I would argue people looking to buy a Saab value the fact they are supporting Swedish jobs highly. The fact is I'm sure most Australian's would be happy to buy Saabs built here but people elsewhere probably wouldn't and same applies to China I’m sure quality can be just as good but the problem is very much in perception. Why should people buy a Saab made in China when they can buy a BMW made in Germany or Volvo in Sweden. The other thing is where does this leave Trollhaten? If Saab are only making 190,000-200,000 cars and say 40% are made in China that doesn’t leave much for Trollhaten as it is, let alone if they are making cars for other markets too. I would argue people looking to buy a Saab value the fact they are supporting Swedish jobs highly. The fact is I’m sure most Australian’s would be happy to buy Saabs built here but people elsewhere probably wouldn’t and same applies to China

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By: Börjesson http://inside.saab.com/press-release-information-on-restructuring-plan-saab-automobile/#comment-4631 Börjesson Mon, 31 Oct 2011 19:29:00 +0000 http://inside.saab.com/?p=3596#comment-4631 Once the Chinese are able to build Saabs of equal quality, and once the customers accept this fact and are happy to buy Chinese Saabs, then it's goodbye Trollhättan. There's just no competing with that wage difference. Let's assume that Chinese wage costs are one fifth of Swedish ones. (I wonder if the difference may not be even greater.) And let's assume that the average salary in the Trollhättan plant, including payroll taxes, is SEK 40 000, and that the number of employees is 3 500. Reducing the wages to one fifth would then save 112 MSEK (appx $17.5M) <i>every month</i>! If you don't lose anything in the bargain except the one-time costs for moving the tools to China and the added shipping costs for the cars to Europe, then there is just no way any owner or CEO can say no to that. Once the Chinese are able to build Saabs of equal quality, and once the customers accept this fact and are happy to buy Chinese Saabs, then it’s goodbye Trollhättan. There’s just no competing with that wage difference.

Let’s assume that Chinese wage costs are one fifth of Swedish ones. (I wonder if the difference may not be even greater.) And let’s assume that the average salary in the Trollhättan plant, including payroll taxes, is SEK 40 000, and that the number of employees is 3 500. Reducing the wages to one fifth would then save 112 MSEK (appx $17.5M) every month! If you don’t lose anything in the bargain except the one-time costs for moving the tools to China and the added shipping costs for the cars to Europe, then there is just no way any owner or CEO can say no to that.

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By: Anonymous http://inside.saab.com/press-release-information-on-restructuring-plan-saab-automobile/#comment-4629 Anonymous Mon, 31 Oct 2011 13:49:00 +0000 http://inside.saab.com/?p=3596#comment-4629 The best Buicks' at the moment, are made in China for example. The best Buicks’ at the moment, are made in China for example.

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By: Anonymous http://inside.saab.com/press-release-information-on-restructuring-plan-saab-automobile/#comment-4628 Anonymous Mon, 31 Oct 2011 13:48:00 +0000 http://inside.saab.com/?p=3596#comment-4628 I have no problem buying a Saab that has parts made in China as long as its assembled in Sweden. I wouldn't buy a VW assembled in Mexico though (too many Jettas appear to have problems).  I have no problem buying a Saab that has parts made in China as long as its assembled in Sweden. I wouldn’t buy a VW assembled in Mexico though (too many Jettas appear to have problems). 

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By: Anonymous http://inside.saab.com/press-release-information-on-restructuring-plan-saab-automobile/#comment-4627 Anonymous Mon, 31 Oct 2011 12:15:00 +0000 http://inside.saab.com/?p=3596#comment-4627 For the record, I (a U.S. based consumer) will never, ever, ever buy a Chinese made Saab.  I believe in heritage and the individuality of nations and I want my hard earned dollars to help put lingonberries on the dinner table of the trolls who have been making Saab cars for generations.  And, for what it's worth, I would also never buy a U.S. produced BMW, a Finland produced Porsche, or an Austrian produced Aston Martin. For the record, I (a U.S. based consumer) will never, ever, ever buy a Chinese made Saab.  I believe in heritage and the individuality of nations and I want my hard earned dollars to help put lingonberries on the dinner table of the trolls who have been making Saab cars for generations.  And, for what it’s worth, I would also never buy a U.S. produced BMW, a Finland produced Porsche, or an Austrian produced Aston Martin.

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By: Steven Wade http://inside.saab.com/press-release-information-on-restructuring-plan-saab-automobile/#comment-4626 Steven Wade Mon, 31 Oct 2011 12:00:00 +0000 http://inside.saab.com/?p=3596#comment-4626 Ben, I have no idea of where they'll sell Chinese manufactured cars.  We've only just signed the MoU and it needs to be approved, so it's very early days now.  That situation is a number of years away.  However, I'm not convinced of a manufacturing plan that assumes it's OK to sell cars that are perceived to be sub-standard in any market.  Saab's mission will be to ensure that our vehicles are premium quality regardless of where they're built.  The Chinese market is not one that will accept substandard cars in the sector of the market we'll be moving in.   I understand where your apprehension is coming from.  It's quite common and it's a perception that all manufacturers have to deal with.  It's also a challenge that I think we'll find car manufacturers need to tackle by building and proving their product to be a quality product.  There's no questioning the quality of manufacture when it comes to the iPhone, for example.  Car builders will need to develop the same acceptance with their products, too. Ben, I have no idea of where they’ll sell Chinese manufactured cars.  We’ve only just signed the MoU and it needs to be approved, so it’s very early days now.  That situation is a number of years away. 

However, I’m not convinced of a manufacturing plan that assumes it’s OK to sell cars that are perceived to be sub-standard in any market.  Saab’s mission will be to ensure that our vehicles are premium quality regardless of where they’re built.  The Chinese market is not one that will accept substandard cars in the sector of the market we’ll be moving in.  

I understand where your apprehension is coming from.  It’s quite common and it’s a perception that all manufacturers have to deal with.  It’s also a challenge that I think we’ll find car manufacturers need to tackle by building and proving their product to be a quality product.  There’s no questioning the quality of manufacture when it comes to the iPhone, for example.  Car builders will need to develop the same acceptance with their products, too.

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By: Ben http://inside.saab.com/press-release-information-on-restructuring-plan-saab-automobile/#comment-4625 Ben Mon, 31 Oct 2011 11:47:00 +0000 http://inside.saab.com/?p=3596#comment-4625 What about China manufacturing? It says cars will be built there for local and global sale? Does this mean established markets too? I can understand in asia but surely Trollhaten can supply everywhere else. What about China manufacturing? It says cars will be built there for local and global sale? Does this mean established markets too? I can understand in asia but surely Trollhaten can supply everywhere else.

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By: Anonymous http://inside.saab.com/press-release-information-on-restructuring-plan-saab-automobile/#comment-4624 Anonymous Mon, 31 Oct 2011 11:34:00 +0000 http://inside.saab.com/?p=3596#comment-4624 As bad as reducing headcount by 500 sounds, it is better than reducing by 3500... As bad as reducing headcount by 500 sounds, it is better than reducing by 3500…

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